01:38 freddiescrew: There is no precision problems and i will never upload the code, cause it is too powerful, their butchering abuse through hospitals leading to your schizophrenia jabber is discrimination which i do not like to see near me or force will be used against you. There are too many people that are devils who do not understand mathematics and would destroy others right from the word go, i am
01:38 freddiescrew: delibarately not too accurate and fuzz my talks coninuously, cause those who can think their own are not a danger to others. I know very many americans who behave good and can think well and that is why just like russians they have come so far, i go very far too. Autosar not tesla was the specification of europes electrical vechicles, yes americans took over that business, however they can
01:38 freddiescrew: do that, cause they behave well. And those who can understand my code are not a big danger anyhow, debiliated and retarded magpies are the real problem we have. All in all, the spaghetti code or word salad is made deliberately so, it's unthinkable to give guns to terrorists etc straight.
07:20 cookiecrumbles: FPGA is the most performant, cause it has more adders in hardware on the LUTS. So having said that DFT/FFT is not used in hardware either, it has some usages in signal analysing, but it is far less powerful elsewhere as to how people would think. However so we would have so much memory it's the heroic as to what hardware does on ieee1164, and this theory is so genius and has not been
07:20 cookiecrumbles: brought into science by me. I just exposed as to what hardware was actually meant to do. The genius part is the power of two's, Be that claude elwood shannon or someone else who figured out such presentation, one estonian also said very correctly, that actually powering this way provides better security, however it also provides higher entropy, and hence more keys or in that context more
07:20 cookiecrumbles: memory that can be exposed from sw side, and that heavylifting or genius never belonged to my genius, that was powered by my brain power.
20:45 dwlsalmeida[d]: airlied[d]: airlied[d] sorry Dave, I really tried
20:45 dwlsalmeida[d]: let's add our own stuff that's known to work for hantro
20:45 dwlsalmeida[d]: I did try using the VCN stuff, but it's not a 1:1 match
20:45 dwlsalmeida[d]: arrays sizes do not match, names do not match
20:46 dwlsalmeida[d]: I don't feel like debugging this which is going to be a *major* pain just so we can share a header file
20:58 airlied[d]: I think I tried with amd and intel and failed for the same reasons, they just didn't line up in the end
21:08 dwlsalmeida[d]: anyone knows what I have to include to get offsetof?
21:10 airlied[d]: stddef.h
21:10 airlied[d]: or linux/stddef.h
22:17 gfxstrand[d]: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034184951790305330/1328850569426636964/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_e82969d7-3415-4e68-ab59-ab7017fbe6e7.jpg?ex=67883408&is=6786e288&hm=6ce97907aff76b56a3cca8605ef910a4d258f3f7d6ba118942f06e93d6c08145&
22:17 gfxstrand[d]: Just waiting for the CPU. And the 5090 I can't actually buy yet, of course. 😁
22:23 redsheep[d]: I wonder what speed you'll be able to get out of 4 dimms
22:24 airlied[d]: I'd assume whatever boots fastest matters more than OC for devs 😛
22:25 HdkR: Woo, everyone loves a new PC build
22:27 mohamexiety[d]: gfxstrand[d]: eyy, congrats!
22:27 mohamexiety[d]: hopefully all soon
22:27 redsheep[d]: airlied[d]: Yeah, but if I remember right my motherboard manual said that configuration is ddr5 3600 when you don't have xmp
22:27 redsheep[d]: Which is quite slow
22:27 tiredchiku[d]: 4800
22:27 mohamexiety[d]: yeah I don't OC but I went 2x 48 instead for this reason
22:28 tiredchiku[d]: tiredchiku[d]: on my board
22:28 mohamexiety[d]: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034184951790305330/1328853270365474919/image.png?ex=6788368c&is=6786e50c&hm=ae81f87fed77e4587a412a8a888c755d6097343f92ad20475434db4b571c9044&
22:28 mohamexiety[d]: tiredchiku[d]: not for 4 sticks
22:28 tiredchiku[d]: ah, yeah
22:28 gfxstrand[d]: Oh well that's silly
22:29 redsheep[d]: Yeah, it increases the importance of tweaking or xmp to have 4 dimms
22:29 redsheep[d]: Very heavy config
22:29 gfxstrand[d]: Amazon returns are easy, though.
22:29 gfxstrand[d]: I can swap out for 2x64
22:29 mohamexiety[d]: honestly yeah. just try it and see how you feel about it. worst case if you dont like it you can go 2x48
22:30 mohamexiety[d]: 64GB UDIMMs sadly are still not out 😐
22:30 gfxstrand[d]: 😢
22:30 redsheep[d]: Yeah 32gb ddr has proven to be like hens teeth
22:30 redsheep[d]: Industry been struggling on that for like a decade now
22:31 mohamexiety[d]: it's weird because it should have been out by now, and if you search online you will even find SKUs and such
22:31 mohamexiety[d]: some vendors like MSI even advertise "max capacity 128GB" on their 1DPC/2 slot boards
22:32 redsheep[d]: It will be true eventually lol
22:32 redsheep[d]: Anyway 64GB is still quite a lot, and 96GB kits are a thing if you're willing to pay
22:33 redsheep[d]: I would upgrade, as I often use like 50 GB daily, but it's not actually a problem for me yet
22:33 mohamexiety[d]: mohamexiety[d]: (also if you will go this route, you can save a decent amount of money by going with a JEDEC kit since you won't OC anyways. something like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C79RMMCL?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1)
22:33 mohamexiety[d]: the gamer branded kits have a bit of an upcharge
22:34 mohamexiety[d]: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034184951790305330/1328854824770338866/image.png?ex=678837ff&is=6786e67f&hm=340d645623c65d24e79b3d02013745e2a2a353ea7839ba2dc8be06b19f898fe7&
22:34 mohamexiety[d]: although I guess the price difference got lower these days
22:35 redsheep[d]: Oh that's quite appealing actually. Hmm. I kinda want that now
22:35 mohamexiety[d]: if you're referring to the gamer kits note that that's 5600C40 :p
22:36 mohamexiety[d]: the 6000c30 kits are still $350
22:36 redsheep[d]: Yeah. I like my 5600cl28
22:36 gfxstrand[d]: Yeah, I think 3GB/core is enough.
22:38 redsheep[d]: You could still test that ram and see what's what, it's possible that the boot time is still okay with 4 dimms on xmp, or that somehow the 3600 perf loss isn't bad enough for you to care
22:39 redsheep[d]: My suspicion though would be that it's a big enough hit to show up on cts runs and the like though
22:41 redsheep[d]: And 4 dimms might affect whether xmp is stable to begin with
22:44 gfxstrand[d]: Ugh... Looks like this board doesn't like 48GB sticks.
22:45 gfxstrand[d]: So I'm either board shopping again, stuck at 64GB or eating the hit.
22:45 gfxstrand[d]: Building computers today sucks.
22:46 mohamexiety[d]: gfxstrand[d]: how so? there are plenty of options in the QVL https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-x670e-creator-wifi/helpdesk_qvl_memory?model2Name=ProArt-X670E-CREATOR-WIFI
22:46 mohamexiety[d]: so it should work
22:46 tiredchiku[d]: certified "back in my day" moment :oldpeng: /j
22:46 mohamexiety[d]: (you also don't need the kits in the QVL)
22:46 gfxstrand[d]: So there are. Okay, never mind.
22:47 mohamexiety[d]: there's only one 2x 48 kit on there but really 2x 48 is the same as 2x 24 from a support standpoint
22:52 gfxstrand[d]: Alright. We'll go for 2x48. If it boots, I'll call it good.
22:55 redsheep[d]: Yeah ram is in a tricky spot right now. Hopefully camm will solve a lot of this
22:55 gfxstrand[d]: tiredchiku[d]: IDK. I feel like such an old fart doing this. I used to think building computers was fun. Going over all the specs and shit. These days, though, I only build it myself because I'd rather have a competent case and control over things like my PCIe ports.
22:56 redsheep[d]: There are aspects that have gotten harder, but I think most of them will tilt back. Dimms as a form factor probably need to die
22:56 redsheep[d]: Electrically, they just aren't good enough anymore.
22:57 airlied[d]: the only thing worse than building computers for GPU dev is buying them
22:57 gfxstrand[d]: Exactly!
22:58 airlied[d]: been repeating myself here that buying workstations from approved vendors isn't going to end well for devs experience swapping hw
22:59 gfxstrand[d]: Unless you work for Intel and all your hardware comes in laptops. :blobcatnotlikethis:
23:00 dwlsalmeida[d]: gfxstrand[d]: This would be worth as much as a used car here, unfortunately
23:00 airlied[d]: at least laptops often have their own set of issues you have to solve, like eDP and power mgmt
23:00 dwlsalmeida[d]: I was going to say a car, but I then remembered that cars doubled in price since the pandemic
23:00 mohamexiety[d]: yeah speaking about this, friend of mine is having some funny issues. she bought an RTX 6000 Quadro (Turing) from a local seller for cheap. it was taken from an HP workstation... the card refuses to negotiate over PCIe x8 and also doesn't work on half the motherboards she has. it only works on AM4 and AM5. tried two different LGA1700 boards and it wouldn't even get detected
23:01 gfxstrand[d]: airlied[d]: You say that like it's a good thing. 😅
23:02 redsheep[d]: dwlsalmeida[d]: You could probably buy a really cheap used car for that much here too
23:02 dwlsalmeida[d]: redsheep[d]: Where is that ?
23:02 gfxstrand[d]: dwlsalmeida[d]: Once Trump rolls out the tariffs, it might be worth a car. But then cars will also be more expensive. 🙄
23:03 redsheep[d]: dwlsalmeida[d]: The US? Same as faith
23:04 redsheep[d]: It would be a junker, but that's a really expensive pc
23:05 gfxstrand[d]: I bought my first car off my uncle for $500 USD when I was at University.
23:06 gfxstrand[d]: It wasn't a good car but it got me around. 🙃
23:06 dwlsalmeida[d]: gfxstrand[d]: Here someone decided to enact a 100% tax on imports to “protect the upcoming national industry” in the 80s.
23:06 dwlsalmeida[d]: Said industry never developed, the tax remained for 40 years of course 🤡
23:06 dwlsalmeida[d]: Import taxes are 100% broken here
23:06 mohamexiety[d]: yiiikes. yeah that sounds similar to the intent with the US tariffs sadly
23:06 gfxstrand[d]: Yup. And they won't work here, either.
23:06 mohamexiety[d]: yup
23:07 redsheep[d]: I'm just glad I happened to get my car when the interest rates during covid happened to be really low instead of high, now that 3% loan looks better than paying it off
23:08 mohamexiety[d]: a lot of vendors have moved manufacturing to vietnam and such to try and skirt around these tariffs before they come so maybe things wont get as expensive but I guess we'll see how things develop
23:08 orowith2os[d]: gfxstrand[d]: I need a $500 car, I don't care if it's a shitbox I just need to be able to drive into the city over :CatAngy:
23:09 dwlsalmeida[d]: orowith2os[d]: Uber? I don’t think I’ll ever own a vehicle again
23:09 orowith2os[d]: my options are a 1997 truck that needs a new fuel pump, battery, and water pump, a 1973 beetle, or buy something
23:09 dwlsalmeida[d]: At least here it’s much cheaper
23:09 mohamexiety[d]: you got to admit the 1973 beetle got style though :KEKW:
23:09 orowith2os[d]: dwlsalmeida[d]: might be cheaper to own a car, because I'll be going further on occasion
23:09 Jasper[m]: orowith2os[d]: The answer is always Toyota Corolla
23:10 orowith2os[d]: it's $10 to go to the nearest town one-way (5.6 miles), and I need to go into one 15 miles away for some stuff
23:10 orowith2os[d]: Jasper[m]: I owned a 2001 Solara once :p
23:10 redsheep[d]: Jasper[m]: Problem is they retain their value like crazy, they're not cheap used at all
23:10 Jasper[m]: redsheep[d]: Gotta go further back in time
23:11 orowith2os[d]: the 1970 toyota corolla is where it's at 🔥
23:11 redsheep[d]: I ended up just buying one new instead because the price was so similar to get it used
23:11 Jasper[m]: (There's a window here where both the Yaris/Vitz and Corolla dump in price, I'm not sure what the sweetspot is in the US)
23:13 redsheep[d]: The best used cars are the ones where they still kinda tank value but are actually still pretty reliable, like a mazda
23:13 orowith2os[d]: my biggest problem is just, getting money
23:14 orowith2os[d]: if I *just had my CNA license I would be fine* but noooooo, the THHS program has to be filled, and everything else has to be $600+ <a:FoxyAngry:1283079949544198195>
23:15 orowith2os[d]: I want to work a job where I can just come in on a whim and work, with OT, and healthcare does that.... but I need licensing that's a trouble to get because of money and transportation
23:17 orowith2os[d]: dwlsalmeida[d]: if I ended up Ubering my way everywhere, it would actually be $100 more expensive vs owning a 20mpg car
23:19 dwlsalmeida[d]: orowith2os[d]: I work from home and I feel less inclined to leave my place as the years go by, so it’s not much money spent on uber for me
23:21 orowith2os[d]: $10 an uber is $20 a day, working five days a week is $400/mo. 6 mile commute at 20mpg, same rates: 240 miles travelled a month, at 20mpg is 12 gallons of gas, $2.7/gal is ~$35. Car insurance would be $250 *at least* (I have a recent crash on my record), and count maintenance, that's around $300
23:21 orowith2os[d]: per month to own a car
23:22 orowith2os[d]: the uber price is also lowballing, it's usually closer to 12-13, maybe 15 dollars
23:22 orowith2os[d]: oh, and tips
23:23 dwlsalmeida[d]: Wait where’s the monthly payments for the car itself ?
23:23 orowith2os[d]: this was assuming paid in cash
23:23 orowith2os[d]: but I guess that could affect it?
23:23 dwlsalmeida[d]: That assumes you already own the car
23:23 dwlsalmeida[d]: Well of course 😄
23:23 orowith2os[d]: if we say $5000, for 5 years, that's $80/mo, making it closer to Uber
23:24 orowith2os[d]: but the car would probably also go past that time period for the loan, meaning it gets even cheaper after
23:24 dwlsalmeida[d]: You can get a new car for 5k?
23:24 orowith2os[d]: used
23:24 orowith2os[d]: I rarely buy things new
23:26 orowith2os[d]: my phone is a PoS, all of my laptops were used, my TV, soundbar, and headphones were given to me by family on christmas or my birthday, and my books were bought used on amazon
23:26 dwlsalmeida[d]: I see
23:26 orowith2os[d]: even my heated blanket was bought at a discount
23:26 orowith2os[d]: I am a cheapo
23:28 orowith2os[d]: I guess I *could* cut or compress my hours into four days out of the week.....
23:28 orowith2os[d]: working 10hr shifts isn't out of the question
23:29 orowith2os[d]: Uber kind of gets more cost effective the less I use it, so that would work
23:34 dwlsalmeida[d]: Yeah used cars are great when you know it was well maintained before you
23:35 dwlsalmeida[d]: I really worry about things like “oh I just bought this and now there’s oil in the coolant”
23:35 dwlsalmeida[d]: Or the timing belt suddenly snaps
23:36 dwlsalmeida[d]: Or there’s unknown repairs done that you didn’t manage to catch before buying
23:36 dwlsalmeida[d]: With a new car you know that shit won’t break
23:38 dwlsalmeida[d]: orowith2os[d]: tbh I just realized how much I save by not having to commute
23:39 orowith2os[d]: dwlsalmeida[d]: yup
23:39 orowith2os[d]: Im going to try and live in a more public-transport-friendly city in the next few years
23:40 orowith2os[d]: So that even if I do commute, I don't pay out the ass for it