21:31 karolherbst: Lyude: I get the feeling we had a bug there but I don't remember the details... does that ring a bell somewhat? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/nouveau/-/issues/115
21:33 Lyude: karolherbst: it doesn't but I don't know that htis issue is related or not
21:34 Lyude: looks like it might not be since I don't think we get any empty subc errors
21:34 karolherbst: yeah.. no idea either
21:45 karolherbst: Lyude: I bet it's modifiers related
21:45 karolherbst: but what does EMPTY_SUBC mean anyway
21:45 karolherbst: maybe skeggsb_ knows :D
21:45 karolherbst: Lyude: ohh btw.. I own a 4K@120 screen now....
21:46 karolherbst: HDMI 2.1 and shit
21:46 Lyude: they're already selling hdmi 2.1?
21:46 karolherbst: yeah...
21:46 imirkin: too bad you can only drive it @30hz :p
21:46 Lyude: that's. shitty
21:46 karolherbst: imirkin: why? :D
21:46 imirkin: oh, i jsut assumed there wer eproblems
21:46 imirkin: seems like a reasonable guess.
21:46 karolherbst: didn't try it
21:46 karolherbst: it's an android TV, so...
21:46 HdkR: Need HDMI 2.1 for all those 8k panels people are pushing :)
21:47 imirkin: i guess other people had problems with 144hz, not 120hz
21:47 karolherbst: just wanted something new and shiny if I buy a TV...
21:47 Lyude: just use displayport
21:47 HdkR: You need 2x DP 1.4 for 8k60 though
21:47 karolherbst: Lyude: well.. it's a TV
21:47 karolherbst: they somehow only come with HDMI
21:47 Lyude: karolherbst: …right
21:47 imirkin: Lyude: TV's don't have DP
21:47 Lyude: imirkin: i forgot it was a tvg
21:47 Lyude: *tv
21:47 karolherbst: HdkR: yeah... I mean 8k TV _was_ an option but they are just too big and expensive
21:48 imirkin: karolherbst: plus can't get 120hz yet? :)
21:48 karolherbst: imirkin: why not?
21:48 HdkR: They really are. Nutty televisions
21:48 imirkin: 8k@120?
21:48 karolherbst: HDMI 2.1 can do 8K@120
21:48 imirkin: seems like a lot
21:48 imirkin: wow
21:48 karolherbst: with DSC
21:48 imirkin: that's more pixels than i can count.
21:48 karolherbst: it's also an HDR screen I have :D so 10 bit 4K@120
21:48 Lyude: which we still don't know if we can implement in linux… :\
21:48 karolherbst: I am sure a lot of drivers will break
21:49 karolherbst: Lyude: DSC?
21:49 Lyude: karolherbst: for HDMI 2.1, along with a bunch of other 2.1 stuff, yes.
21:49 karolherbst: why not?
21:49 imirkin: Lyude: it's not just a bunch of bits to flip somewhere?
21:49 karolherbst: that screen of course comes with ALLM and VRR and everything :D
21:49 Lyude: imirkin: for some hardware, but the main problem is that HDMI 2.1 makes some changes to confidentiality agreements that have things up in the air right now
21:49 karolherbst: and it wasn't even _that_ expensive
21:50 Lyude: as some of the hdmi 2.1 features do need software implementation in some cases
21:50 karolherbst: Lyude: ufffff
21:50 Lyude: yeah the board and myself have been trying to get them to respond to this
21:50 Lyude: well i guess i am the board
21:50 Lyude: or part of the board you know what i mean
21:50 karolherbst: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
21:50 karolherbst: not again
21:51 Lyude: oh neat, there's an update on this actually
21:51 Lyude: and apparently it's going to be bad
21:51 karolherbst: I mean.. the situation with GL was already annoying
21:51 Lyude: good thing i am very good at being loud
21:51 karolherbst: but I bet with HDMI it will be just shit
21:51 karolherbst: Lyude: I probably would get valve on board even though them not beeing to big, but I guess in 15 years even they care about 8K@120 gaming on Linux ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:52 HdkR: HDMI trying to ruin everything. Bleh
21:53 karolherbst: but 8K@120 is really insane
21:53 karolherbst: where do they get the 100 Gbit/s anyway...
21:53 karolherbst: well
21:53 Lyude: yep. they said no
21:53 karolherbst: 130 for HDR
21:53 Lyude: it's ruckus time
21:54 karolherbst: Lyude: yeah.... I didn't expect anything else
21:54 karolherbst: I see the list and nobody of those really cares about linux?
21:54 karolherbst: google maybe
21:54 karolherbst: huh
21:54 karolherbst: wait
21:54 karolherbst: huh
21:55 karolherbst: so TVs are running android and everything
21:55 karolherbst: but I guess the HDMI stuff is unrelated to the actual OS running or so
21:55 karolherbst: really don't know the details there
21:57 imirkin: well, they're going to have a semi-proprietary driver on the SoC
21:57 karolherbst: no I mean...
21:57 imirkin: also it's probably not driving the display via hdmi
21:57 karolherbst: they probably don't use HDMI
21:57 imirkin: but rather eDP or something like that
21:57 karolherbst: yeah..
21:57 imirkin: or DSI. dunno what's practical there.
21:57 karolherbst: I actually don't know how much the OS is involved in like.. external devices
21:58 karolherbst: but there are also those image/audio settings
21:59 karolherbst: mhhh
21:59 karolherbst: I could try to get it working with nouveau... 4k@120 I mean
21:59 karolherbst: 4:2:0 color format
21:59 karolherbst: that's all going so much fun I guess
21:59 karolherbst: *going to be
22:00 imirkin: doing 4:2:0 is on my "list"
22:00 imirkin: although i haven't done antyhing on my list in ages
22:04 HdkR: Lyude: Is HDMI blocking DSC even in DP implementations? Is this why I don't have DSC in amdgpu? :(
22:04 Lyude: HdkR: no? it's just hdmi
22:04 karolherbst: maybe now that I know so much about channel recovery.. maybe I should work on recovery on the kernel side if the DRM channels die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:05 HdkR: Alright good. So I don't need to blame HDMI for my problems today :D
22:05 karolherbst: :D
22:13 karolherbst: imirkin: btw.. HDMI 2.1 doesn't stop at 8k@120 :D
22:13 karolherbst: seems like 10k@120 is the max
22:18 imirkin: or 1k@1khz
22:18 imirkin: ;)
22:19 karolherbst: mhhh