03:38 rhyskidd: wish we had such a CI for nouveau ...
09:31 filipdevuan_: hello i use laptop with nvidia optimus technology and i would like to use geforce i have using nouveau drivers instead of proprietary one however the only way how i know is using bumblebee is there something else???
09:32 gnarface: hey filipdevuan_ they're all asleep right now probably but they'll see it in a few hours if you stick around. start reading this until then: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus/
09:32 filipdevuan_: ok cheers
09:33 filipdevuan_: i read that yesterday
09:33 gnarface: oh ok, i can't tell you anything that's not on there, i don't think
09:33 gnarface: i haven't tried it myself
09:33 filipdevuan_: does that change the gpu into discrete one: $ DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL vendor string"
09:33 filipdevuan_: OpenGL vendor string: nouveau
09:34 filipdevuan_: anyways will be back later then :)
09:34 gnarface: yes, the idea here is you set the environment variable DRI_PRIME=1 before any command you want to use the discrete card
09:34 gnarface: if it doesn't work though i can't tell you how to get it going
09:35 gnarface: i hear it's hit and miss just like bumblebee, but doesn't require the passthrough program and works more like the "right way" to do it
09:36 filipdevuan_: okay :)
10:36 karolherbst: RSpliet: mhh, I got asked to speak on the IWOCL conference. Do you think it's a conference worth spending time with in general?
13:36 crmlt: Hi
13:36 crmlt: why this still isn't in 4.19?
13:36 crmlt: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106512
13:42 RSpliet: karolherbst: I've never heard of that conference
13:44 RSpliet: (But there's many conferences I've never heard of)
13:44 RSpliet: Ah, it's a workshop - not a conference. Semi-academic. Let me see who were the speakers last year, perhaps that clarifies a bit
13:46 RSpliet: Intel, Codeplay, NVIDIA, Kaiserslautern University, Qualcomm... that looks like there's representatives from interesting parties
13:48 RSpliet: I'd say it could be a good opportunity if you have an open mind to research topics
13:50 karolherbst: RSpliet: well, they asked to talk about the spirv/nir stuff I am working on
13:50 karolherbst: RSpliet: what annoys me most is that there are barely any slides/videos public
13:50 RSpliet: Yep. I bet they saw the phoronix article (see the retweet at the bottom of the webpage :-P)
13:50 karolherbst: and a lot of references to non public papers
13:50 karolherbst: yeah
13:50 RSpliet: Transition to OpenAccess is slow but ongoing
13:50 karolherbst: well, "open access" I shall say
13:50 karolherbst: yeah...
13:50 karolherbst: but
13:51 karolherbst: put slides.. come on
13:51 RSpliet: I'm not sure whether this workshop requires a paper submission along with a presentation
13:51 karolherbst: there are some slides, so it isn't like they would't ask
13:51 RSpliet: Oh I agree... that's mainly laziness/lack of priority I think
13:51 RSpliet: People just not sending them after their talk
13:52 karolherbst: and there is just one video :/
13:52 karolherbst: oh well
13:52 RSpliet: Most academic talks are shit, you go for the discussion, the networking opportunities and to get an idea of what other people are doing ;-)
13:53 karolherbst: I know
13:53 karolherbst: but that's why putting the recordings online is important to get at least the Q&A
13:53 RSpliet: And given there's links to Khronos, there's probs interesting people to meet
13:53 RSpliet: Oh I agree, but after visiting and seeing several workshops I'm not surprised by the lack of post-workshop documentation
13:54 karolherbst: RSpliet: looking at the older ones, 2014 had quite a lot of slides online
13:54 karolherbst: and nearly all the posters
13:56 karolherbst: mhh, seems like 2018 was really bad in comparison to all the others
13:56 RSpliet: Mmm, anyway, I can't decide whether you think this would be worth the time and money. Codeplay have talented people, Intel is hit-and-miss... If you go, go as Red Hat trying to engage with people that set standards (if you want to fight a good cause, talk about an extension for floating point atomic ops - I don't like using in-line assembly for that on NVIDIA :-P)
13:56 karolherbst: well, it's in boston
13:57 karolherbst: for RH it would be better to get robclark or airlied there
13:57 karolherbst: or well, less expensive
13:57 karolherbst: mhh maybe not so much for airlied
13:57 RSpliet: Yep... but you're working on stuff that's interesting for the community, that's harder to justify for Rob as he's working in the mobile space - a bridge too far for OpenCL adoption (...)
13:58 karolherbst: well they asked about the opencl stuff I was working on
13:58 karolherbst: and he made that work for freedreno as well
13:58 RSpliet: Oh yeah, they asked you because you were featured on Phoronix, there is that
13:59 karolherbst: yes, it was mentioned in the email
13:59 RSpliet: Rob isn't in Boston anymore is he? I thought he moved...
13:59 RSpliet: Still US based ofc ;-)
13:59 karolherbst: maybe westford instead? dunno for sure
13:59 karolherbst: but I am sure he is in the area
13:59 robclark:in boston..
14:00 robclark: (and actually in an office in boston, as opposed to out in the westford countryside)
14:00 karolherbst: k
14:00 RSpliet: Anyway, I can't give you a good advise. Maybe just have a chat with your boss about it as well... it's good exposure for RH and they just got tons of IBM money pouring in, so perhaps he/she's happy for you to go. I would personally not pay for it out of my own pocket I don't think
14:01 karolherbst: yeah... I dont really think I am motivated enough to go there for that kind of conferences :/ dunno
14:01 RSpliet: Unless I was looking for a job with one of those companies ;-)
14:01 karolherbst: RSpliet: ohh, I mainly wanted to know how credible IWOCL is
14:02 karolherbst: but maybe robclark wants to go there for a short talk :p allthough he is much less involved in all of this
14:03 crmlt: The bug is still present in 4.19 and the issue persist.
14:03 crmlt: Any chance this will be merged?
14:03 karolherbst: crmlt: what bug and which patch?
14:06 crmlt: bug #106512
14:06 crmlt: patch in attachments
14:09 crmlt: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106512
14:09 karolherbst: crmlt: that patch will probably be not merged, but some investigated that issue.. I think there was a patch posted on the ML actually, let me check
14:11 crmlt: From 4.15 we are left without functional driver.
14:19 karolherbst: crmlt: right, but I talked about that issue here and I got told that my fix isn't the proper one. I know that imirkin was looking into that issue recently. No idea what the state here is though
14:20 karolherbst: I also don't know why it broke with 4.15 either
14:30 crmlt: karolherbst: so could you reopen the issue?
14:30 crmlt: karolherbst: i lost my credentials
14:31 crmlt: karolherbst: I hope it will be fixed soon there are many people experiencing this for example: https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/17007/first-install-on-a-macbook-air-black-screen/17094#17094
14:35 crmlt: thanks
14:35 karolherbst: it might be a bit easier to track the issue down if we would know which commit broke it
14:36 crmlt: I see
14:39 crmlt: Where is the git repo so I can test it?
14:40 crmlt: or what I should do in order to track it?
15:03 karolherbst: the linux kernel
23:47 filipdevuan_: hello i use debian 9 fork without systemd called devuan and i also have nvidia optimus card how can i configure them so i can use discrete one????
23:53 karolherbst: filipdevuan_: should just work. Some desktops allow you to specify to launch an application on a different menu via the context menu
23:54 karolherbst: worst case you start the application with "DRI_PRIME=1"
23:54 karolherbst: as the environment variable
23:54 karolherbst: like "DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo" should tell you that nouveau is used, not intel
23:54 filipdevuan_: ok thanks :)
23:54 karolherbst: you might run into some issues though
23:54 karolherbst: on newer laptops runpm is broken with no fix in sight
23:55 karolherbst: so you might have to boot with nouveau.runpm=0 in order to be able to use the GPU
23:55 karolherbst: and for some GPU the performance with intel might be better as we aren't able to reclock the GPU
23:57 filipdevuan_: botting sounds complicated to me :D
23:57 filipdevuan_: booting
23:58 karolherbst: hum, what GPU do you have?
23:58 filipdevuan_: i have intel hd 620 i think and geforce 940mx
23:58 karolherbst: mhh, then maybe you are in luck
23:59 karolherbst: allthough
23:59 karolherbst: most likely not
23:59 filipdevuan_: yeah i typed glxinfo and i have nouveau there :)
23:59 karolherbst: ahh
23:59 karolherbst: k
23:59 filipdevuan_: i struggle with setting bumblebee up on this distro