09:58 RSpliet: pmoreau: are resolutions increasing fast enough to always see the last column of the
09:58 RSpliet: status matrix on the latest generation GPU? :-P
12:39 mupuf: RSpliet: good one ;)
12:44 pmoreau: RSpliet: Ah ah ah! I wasn’t talking about the status matrix though.
12:45 pmoreau: It seemed that some users got confused about the support of the 1060: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?s=6664819b19b150a5aefd07b1ba408520&p=1773847&postcount=10
15:56 kourbou: Hey, any risks in attempting to perform this?
15:57 kourbou: http://askubuntu.com/questions/16998/switch-between-nvidia-current-and-nouveau-without-a-reboot
16:08 karolherbst: kourbou: just gpu freeze
16:10 kourbou: karolherbst: Meaning screen frozen?
16:10 kourbou: Or fallback on integrated?
16:12 karolherbst: ohh you have a optimus system?
16:13 kourbou: Uhh no, forget my second remark.
16:13 kourbou: :P
16:14 kourbou: I used to, which is why I'm confused by the fallback on this stuff.
16:14 karolherbst: k
16:14 karolherbst: so bascially your screen may freeze
16:14 karolherbst: but switching drivers is also messy for X
16:14 karolherbst: so you end up restarting X
16:14 kourbou: I actually managed to burn my nvidia card to a crisp on my Optimus laptop, and it got stuck on the integrated.
16:15 karolherbst: and then you could just restart your computer anyway
16:15 kourbou: Yeah I think reboot is better.
16:15 karolherbst: how did you managed to burn that one?
16:15 karolherbst: they are pretty much unburnable
16:15 kourbou: Haha it was a VAIO.
16:15 karolherbst: doesn't matter
16:15 kourbou: I used Afterburner
16:15 karolherbst: uhhh
16:15 kourbou: Messed with the stuff in it
16:15 karolherbst: no idea what those tools do, but it shouldn't matter
16:16 karolherbst: except those tools to _stupid_ things
16:16 karolherbst: but then _nobody_ should use them
16:16 kourbou: It's an overclocking tool.
16:16 karolherbst: doesn
16:16 kourbou: I was 14.
16:16 karolherbst: *t matter
16:16 kourbou: :P
16:16 karolherbst: still doesn't matter
16:16 karolherbst: basically the gpu will be annoyed at one point and stop doing things to protect itself
16:16 karolherbst: and those things do not depend on the os or driver
16:16 kourbou: Well it didn't in my case.
16:17 karolherbst: yeah then the tool does silly things
16:17 kourbou: Because the led indicating dedicated vs integrated was stuck.
16:17 karolherbst: mhh
16:17 kourbou: It's a switch.
16:17 karolherbst: could be a firmware problem
16:17 kourbou: Manually switched between integrated and dedicated.
16:17 karolherbst: ohhh
16:17 kourbou: I guess now it's automatic.
16:18 karolherbst: yeah, it is
16:18 karolherbst: anyway, you won't believe it maybe, but no nouveau developer ever managed to break a gpu
16:18 kourbou: Haha wow. Good to know.
16:19 kourbou: Probably cus they couldn't get it running up to speed. :P
16:19 kourbou: Just messing.
16:19 karolherbst: well
16:19 karolherbst: somebody pointed a hair dryer on one
16:19 kourbou: I have done worse.
16:19 karolherbst: :D
16:19 kourbou: Again when I was 14, my PC was too hot.
16:19 kourbou: Put it in the freezer.
16:19 karolherbst: :D
16:20 kourbou: Water coagulated in it.
16:20 karolherbst: that is stupid
16:20 kourbou: Indeed.
16:20 kourbou: Haha.
16:20 kourbou: Now I have a desktop, it's harder.
16:20 kourbou: I guess I could get one of those hotel minifridges, and put it in.
16:21 kourbou: Do the nouveau drivers have fan control or is that hardware?
16:21 karolherbst: the modern cpus/gpus are all able to run around 100°C without problems
16:21 karolherbst: both
16:21 karolherbst: on laptops it is usually EC controlled
16:21 kourbou: Huh.
16:22 kourbou: I actually have no idea what makes the fans spin on my linux machine.
16:22 kourbou: Probably a kernel ext.
16:22 karolherbst: most likely firmware I think
16:22 karolherbst: but I think you could also control them manually
16:22 karolherbst: no idea
16:22 karolherbst: it doesn't make sense to let the OS to control the fans
16:23 kourbou: Yeah that's risky.
16:23 karolherbst: but for GPUs nouveau has to do it
16:23 karolherbst: but the gpus have a hardware overheating protection
16:23 karolherbst: so it's fine
16:23 kourbou: Are you nouveau dev? :D
16:24 kourbou: a*
16:30 karolherbst: :p
16:34 kourbou: Sweet. I love the work you guys do!
16:35 kourbou: Would buy you a drink, but I'm underage. :P
16:44 karolherbst: mhh
16:45 karolherbst: well most of us live in europe anyway
16:45 karolherbst: maybe you are even younger than this
16:45 karolherbst: in my country you can buy beer starting with 16!
16:49 kourbou: I live in France. 18 here. I'm 17.
16:49 kourbou: :P
16:49 kourbou: Could get you one.
16:59 karolherbst: mhh, I am sure you can buy wine already :p
17:01 kourbou: Nope. lol.
17:01 karolherbst: don't lie
17:01 karolherbst: it's a fact that you can :D
17:03 kourbou: I'm not gonna say I haven't tried. That would be lying. XD
17:03 karolherbst: funny how you can drink all the wine at home, but can't buy some...
17:04 kourbou: Yes. Although usually I don't drink at my home. X3
17:04 Tom^: kourbou: thats just a matter of time
17:04 Tom^: later on you wont live without some alcohol standing ready for weekends.
17:04 Tom^: :D
17:05 kourbou: Yayyy dependence :D
17:06 karolherbst: mhh
17:06 karolherbst: I have to correct myself: here you can buy beer _and_ wine starting with 16
17:06 karolherbst: :D
17:07 Tom^: also last time i tried switching between drivers without reboot, going from nouveau to nvidia goes fine, but nvidia doesnt let me unbind it so i cant let nouveau takover again.
17:07 karolherbst: 14 if your parents are with you... which is pretty much pointless, because otherwise they would buy it....
17:07 karolherbst: ohh wait, for bars and stuff
17:07 karolherbst: :D
17:07 kourbou: That's ridiculous karolherbst XD
17:07 karolherbst: but true
17:07 kourbou: Who drinks with their parents?
17:07 kourbou: Tom^: eh, I'll just reboot.
17:07 karolherbst: well, you could go eating stuff for your birthday with just your parents?
17:08 karolherbst: one example
17:08 kourbou: Trying to swap now.
17:08 karolherbst: and do a bigger party with friends or so
17:08 kourbou: I guess.
17:08 kourbou: Germany I'm guessing? XD
17:08 karolherbst: jo
17:10 kourbou: Uhm, Tom^ , my modprobe.d folder is empty. Is that normal? No blacklists at all?
17:10 Tom^: kourbou: well what did you expect it to contain?
17:10 kourbou: I dunno...
17:10 kourbou: XD
17:10 kourbou: I thought I had more hardware D:
17:11 Tom^: all that hardware mostly just run on the kernel drivers
17:11 kourbou: Well to be honest, I have to tell linux to stop making my microphone a keyboard.
17:11 Tom^: so its all setup nicely and neatly with udev etc
17:11 kourbou: ls /etc
17:11 kourbou: (nobody saw that)
17:11 Tom^: kourbou: this is not the terminal you are looking for.
17:11 kourbou: SHUSH.
17:12 kourbou: Don't expose me XD
17:12 kourbou: What makes you say I'm not trying to exploit freenode? Hmm?
17:13 Tom^: i know the rfc1459 to well for thinking that
17:14 kourbou: rfc1459 is actually fairly simple :P
17:23 kourbou: I also don't have a xorg config file
17:23 kourbou: huh
17:25 kourbou: Does Xorg not need a config file?
17:26 Tom^: generally no, it detects most stuff itself fine
17:26 kourbou: Oh, cool.
17:27 Tom^: i still remember the days where Xorg.conf actually was required.
17:27 Tom^: the horrors
17:27 kourbou: When was that?
17:27 kourbou: If I may ask. :P
17:28 Tom^: cant say exact Xorg version number but quite some time ago
17:28 kourbou: 2000s, 90s, 80s?
17:28 kourbou: :P
17:29 Tom^: *shrug* best guess would be around 2007
17:29 kourbou: Oh okay.
17:29 kourbou: X is still actively developed?
17:29 kourbou: After all the years? o.o
17:31 Tom^: kourbou: linux still is after all the years, so why not.
17:32 kourbou: True that.
17:32 kourbou: But you have to admit Linus is a very committed man. :P
17:34 karolherbst: linus doesn't write much code himself though
18:00 kourbou: Hey I actually managed to break X. Haha.
18:00 kourbou: Now I actually need help. XD
18:01 kourbou: "failed to open drm device"
18:02 kourbou: When I do lsmod drm is still nvidia_drm. Is that causing it?
18:04 Tom^: well to use nouveau you either have to blacklist nvidia or remove it.
18:05 kourbou: I did. I blacklisted it.
18:06 kourbou: Oh.
18:06 kourbou: "No devices detected"
18:08 kourbou: Could the Vendor Name in the .conf be a problem?
18:08 kourbou: Driver "Nouveau" and Vendor Name "NVIDIA Corporation"
18:09 kourbou: "nouveau"*
18:21 hussam: imirkin: hi, I saw a [ 644.446883] [TTM] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Failed to set 4 pages to wc! [ 644.446885] [TTM] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Failed to fill wc pool (r:-22)!
18:22 hussam: full dmesg http://pastebin.com/raw/JxBVbSSY
21:36 mwk: alright, so the NV3 3D pipeline is completely separate and different from 2D
22:34 NanoSector: Lekensteyn: testing out your ACPI patch in a bit
22:41 sigod: Hi, I'm getting 200ms video lag in mplayer and vlc with the nouveau driver on archlinux, anyone know what to do about it?
22:41 NanoSector: Lekensteyn: that worked :)
22:49 imirkin: sigod: are you using vdpau?
22:49 sigod: imirkin, no
22:49 sigod: because i need an aur package and I don't really want to add that
22:50 sigod: imirkin, i think ive talked to you about this in the past.
22:50 imirkin: then no clue
22:50 imirkin: and did i say anything interesting?
22:51 sigod: im sure you did
22:51 sigod: would using vdpau help?
22:51 imirkin: nope, it'd hurt
22:52 imirkin: that's why i wanted to make sure you weren't using it
22:52 imirkin: vdpau is currently broken on nouveau with mesa 12.x