03:06 imirkin: skeggsb: did you see the DP issue that Tom^ was having above?
03:08 imirkin: skeggsb: basically the monitor reports 270mhz max in dpcd, but we train link at 540 and it succeeds
04:18 patrakov: Hi. Does any nvidia card exist that is passively cooled, supported by nouveau, and (when driven by nouveau) is faster than HD4400 (built into Intel Core i7 4700S CPU, i.e. desktop Haswell)?
04:19 imirkin: tough one
04:19 imirkin: some GK208 variants might come close
04:19 patrakov: thanks, will look into that family
04:20 imirkin: not a lot of passively cooled nvidia GPUs
04:20 imirkin: basically you're looking for like a GT 730
04:21 imirkin: however intel support will be way better than nouveau's, so esp since it's going to end up close, i'd recommend just sticking with the intel :)
04:23 kloofy: imirkin: i had such combination i did not do any benchmarking, but close it was imo, nouveaus GT 730 was indeed a bit faster
04:24 Tom^: intel isnt gallium tho
04:24 Tom^: and gallium has a few cool things :p
04:24 imirkin: something along the lines of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500366#close
04:24 kloofy: but i concur with you, it probably is so tiny difference that it looked to me too, that it's not worth it
04:25 imirkin: [there's also a 4GB version]
04:25 imirkin: unfortunately there do not appear to be any GDDR5 passively cooled gpu's
04:27 patrakov: well, http://technopoint.ru/product/6aae0cdaa22f3361/videokarta-asus-geforce-gt-730-silent-lp-gt730-sl-2gd5-brk-sale/?utm_source=yandex_market&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=price_new_ekaterinburg&utm_term=1042345
04:27 patrakov: GDDR5 and passive
04:28 imirkin: ah nice
04:28 patrakov: I'll read more about it and decide whether to buy it. and see you at XDC :)
04:28 imirkin: i think it's a lie
04:28 imirkin: i don't think it's a GDDR5
04:28 imirkin: it says it's 1.8ghz
04:28 imirkin: that's the same card i have, and it's gddr3
04:29 patrakov: hm.
04:29 kloofy: and the facts are correct too, GT 730 indeed was passively cooled, my sister now uses the card
04:29 imirkin: https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/GT7302GD5BRK/specifications/
04:29 imirkin: it's supposed to be 5ghz
04:30 kloofy: the heatsink was very minimal or almost non-existant
04:30 imirkin: and you'll note in the picture that it has a fan
04:31 imirkin: oh wait. i went to the wrong card. https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/GT730-SL-2GD5-BRK/
04:31 imirkin: right. still 5ghz.
04:31 imirkin: i guess the specs list could be wrong
04:32 imirkin: [btw, i'm not going to xdc. but a bunch of nouveau people will be]
04:33 kloofy: my card was such a slim one , i did not even notice that it at all had some heatsink, i did not inspect it maybe it had one, but it must had been very tiny and slim then
04:34 kloofy: definitely it did not have an active cooler though
04:36 imirkin: anyways, with the faster memory it'll almost definitely be faster than the desktop gpu
04:36 imirkin: for no other reason than the memory will be faster
04:36 imirkin: er, than the intel gpu
04:40 kloofy: there are two ways i was thinking about to optimize caches further, one is based of new verilog features or just even more powerful stock vhdl to index them with larger tag and dellocate stuff
04:40 kloofy: and one is based of the more difficult offset block calculation , which would work a bit better on gpus only
04:45 kloofy: though again probably someone has allready done it, since the advertise very good numbers on cpus
04:46 kloofy: it's impossible to get such a hitrate when they would not allready use such techniques imo, but not sure
04:49 kloofy: the new verilog features and vhdl features in questions are basically similar to partial runtime reconfiguration stuff
06:20 gnurou: karolherbst: that's really weird... could you post the exact commands you type on pastebin or something? Could you also try running "run" with -1 to make sure CPU concurrency is not a factor? (I only have 2 cores on my test machine)
06:21 gnurou: karolherbst: re: PMU reset, I can have a look if you show me the code, but honestly I am quite swamped right now
06:41 skeggsb: Tom^: can you get me a nouveau.debug=trace trace? might want a "log_buf_len=8M" or something too
08:55 karolherbst: imirkin: from the rogue legacy dev "First, huge thanks for looking into this and letting us know - I had suspected that most drivers were faking it, but it's good to have some confirmation on that." :D
08:59 karolherbst: I just forwarded the email to you, cause he wrote quite a lot opengl things
09:28 karolherbst: gnurou: okay, it isn't critical anyway, will play around a bit more, maybe I get something working then
10:47 kloofy: in other words cons and such are not related to me, like major scammers and fraud, i am a simple programmer, maybe with friends worldwide, it infact would be good if someone helped me to fight with concpiracy that i face, it's always deligthul to see fellonies and scammers to get their sentence
10:48 kloofy: i would not say i lack a bravery, if there is justice needed to be formulated , i can go against anyone if my life is on the line
10:50 kloofy: the process where my life was annoyd and my rights were taken with violations and toltas scams, is infact dangerous to me, i go through of a lot shit to restore them, but i don't give a shit, i am not a coward
10:50 kloofy: justice needs to exist, and bad people who do violate will get their sentence
10:52 kloofy: not talking about financial help, but wether yanks or jews will help me to do that to punish very bad people, the help is welcome
10:57 kloofy: it's sort of like a finnish trainer goes through their hockey players how are you are willing to fight in the game, it's also world is been upside down about violations done to me, i know lot of beatiful souls, at times unfortunently we'd need to fight for our life...and stuff
10:58 kloofy: bye
14:32 Tom^: skeggsb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d3658qolhzk3b4v/nouveautrace?dl=0 not sure if it has all the info you want but its 8mb and a few lines of "systemd-journald[222]: /dev/kmsg buffer overrun, some messages lost."
14:34 Tom^: skeggsb: this is with two monitors plugged in also, one dvi that works and the displayport one that simply ends up with no signal.
14:37 yann-kaelig: Hi
14:38 yann-kaelig: I have some unexpected freeze of my OS with nouveau and rt-kernel. I'm not sure actually but i'ts look like that happen when I'm using firefox
14:40 yann-kaelig: I have another computer with exactly the same rt-kernel and libre radeon, nothing wrong like that. It's not the first time I have this freeze with nouveau and rt, that happen also on older rt-kernels + nouveau
14:42 yann-kaelig: I will see if firefox is the problem, and I hope so, because I need this computer for audio production purpose
14:56 Tom^: yann-kaelig: disable hw acceleration in firefox
14:57 Tom^: yann-kaelig: iirc i had those freezes aswell until i did so.
14:57 yann-kaelig: Tom^, yes, I just see that
14:57 yann-kaelig: Tom^, thx
15:01 yann-kaelig: I must be all this time lucky because I used firefox lot of times without freeze, and now I have no idea why everything change and start freeze my OS
15:03 imirkin: upgraded firefox maybe?
15:03 yann-kaelig: imirkin, yes, but I never disable the hwaccel
15:04 imirkin: right, but perhaps they change what they use hwaccel for :)
15:04 imirkin: and how it's implemented
15:05 yann-kaelig: ho! is that possible ! That really bad if so.
15:06 yann-kaelig: I'm using funtoo and I can have a look of all my use flags, but if firefox start to change thing, that going t obe more complicated ^^
15:06 imirkin: well, presumably new things happen in new versions. e.g. at some point hwaccel using GL was added in the first place
15:06 imirkin: it'd be unlikely that that implementation was never touched again since addition...
15:07 yann-kaelig: perhaps it's time to take a look on other browsers
15:07 Tom^: ive even had the blob freeze on me with firefox hw acceleration on
15:11 yann-kaelig: Tom^, there is something I don't understand , I need to add a firmware with nouveau for my GTX660 ?
15:11 Tom^: no
15:14 yann-kaelig: I have also a new USE flag on funtoo "SKIA": Enable the SKIA engine for 2D rendering as an alternative to cairo. Should I disable this too ?
15:14 karolherbst: yann-kaelig: just for video decoding acceleration
15:15 karolherbst: sys-firmware/nvidia-firmware would be the package
15:17 yann-kaelig: ok, thx. Actually I don't need video decoding acceleration. I'm only using this computer for audio production.
15:20 yann-kaelig: but I'm not sure if ardour or qtractor are using video acceleration for the audio graph
15:20 imirkin: video decoding = you have a H264 video and you'd like to decode it.
15:21 imirkin: (or MPEG4 or VC1 or whatever)
15:23 yann-kaelig: ok, I see. So, software like ardour, the CPU is used to draw the sample on the screen ?
15:27 karolherbst: no
15:27 karolherbst: it is for vdpau
15:27 karolherbst: "video" as in "movie" ;)
15:28 imirkin: yann-kaelig: software has a million different ways of working, you'd have to ask the creators of that particular software
15:35 karolherbst: imirkin: regarding that bgra4444 issue, was "glCheckFramebufferStatus" the think you suggested should be done?
15:35 karolherbst: or are there much more reliable ways?
15:36 karolherbst: *reliable/detailed/descriptive
15:38 imirkin: karolherbst: it's 100% reliable, if not descriptive.
15:39 karolherbst: I see
15:40 karolherbst: so more like it will tell you what is wrong, but not really what?
15:41 karolherbst: I just checked, that the guy is actually an XNA/FNA dev, not from the game
15:43 imirkin: karolherbst: i sent a question to the list
15:46 karolherbst: saw it, nice, thanks
16:00 kloofy: yeah psychiatry is a scam, it's a way of conspiration here, we have laws for sending someone to instution and locking one up with court order, but it's corrupted and noone follows them, and instance is full of terrorists, i assure you that it's fair for instutions here to be declared as terroristic organisation in mossad's or any of such lists
16:00 kloofy: i've illegaly got 5times those court orders to send me to instutiton
16:01 kloofy: what is the worst about this, that all what preceeded and followed was only humiliations from such scammers, and i had done nothing wrong, and i don't even have single criminal background
16:04 kloofy: i'll proceed with european court of law, about this violation of my human rights too
16:04 kloofy: but there is material that is nasty to write, full of crimes i dunno maybe thousand pages, those are not really ok from the head, who work there
16:07 kloofy: so my only plea is maybe someone helps me to bring justice into this, according to european union laws to bring those persons you know
16:08 kloofy: in front of the court
18:02 karolherbst: imirkin: does intel/amd hardware support rendering to RGBA4444?
18:02 imirkin_: nfc
18:03 imirkin_: my question is about what the spec guarantees
18:03 imirkin_: not about the practical making of some application work
18:03 karolherbst: I know
18:03 karolherbst: just wondering if drivers really usually fake it or if the hw really supports it
18:03 imirkin_: feel free to cc me if you want me to comment on that guy
18:03 imirkin_: depends on the hw.
18:03 karolherbst: I see
18:04 imirkin_: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/tree/src/gallium/drivers/freedreno/a3xx/fd3_format.c#n126
18:04 imirkin_: Adreno A3xx supports it.
18:04 karolherbst: I see
18:04 imirkin_: intel moved their stuff around recently and i'm not sure where to look
18:04 imirkin_: amd's thing is a giant unreadable function
18:05 imirkin_: looks like VC4 also supports it
18:05 imirkin_: er wait, i take that back
18:05 imirkin_: VC4 can also sample but not render
18:05 karolherbst: k
18:08 karolherbst: vc4 was pi2? or is vc4 used somewhere else, too?
18:12 Tomin: vc4 is on all raspberry pis, it's a broadcom mobile SoC so probably it's on some (older?) mobile phones as well
18:13 karolherbst: I see
18:23 karolherbst: imirkin_: k, so it seems like amd hardware also supports it
18:56 kloofy: at one end, it's fascinating to have such systems like we have today in electronics, it just sometimes makes me wonder how can it not fullfill the needs of various people so they could live legit
18:57 kloofy: very likely it's again that systems are too complex for those to understand, and you go elaborating how things work, the talk is not a minute one
18:58 kloofy: before that the crazy human violates any rights you enough, because not being able to make it in that business, in the end it isn't so hard either just not meant for morans
19:08 kloofy: in the end it's 21st century it does not matter if someone hasn't got that attractive looks to be jelous about others, just find something interesting to do, there are so many things to pick from, and vastly guaranteed success etc.
19:10 kloofy: most other societies are with well pragmatic thinking that life goes on, and authore books movies where every bit of information is contained
19:13 kloofy: well yeah this with a team work making one healthy person ill, with consistent work throughout the life, it leads to question isn't there really something other found to be done , and ouh really
19:15 kloofy: you know my dad is stupid those days too, not only having blocked my stuff, disastress stupid ramblings for a 55year old, just not ever getting used to read stuff, what people put in front of every noses on silver plate, i.e not good internet usage
19:26 kloofy: sucks to be at a computer at this age all the time, and under that sort of pressure...still i find even if here others have not succeeded in real things, i mean i could, and probably i will
19:28 kloofy: for mobile devices, actually intels new core series, well somewhat new , is solid for usage, not sure if the work is still meaningful to do more powerful mobile devices nowdays, but it's the area i have cared about
19:34 kloofy: so i gonna go on with this, would fantastic to earn some money and produce the goods and get back to normal life using computers with pleasure again when there is a need
19:36 kloofy: bout a years time i need to hang there, it takes me longer since i invest my most resources to help other people, but i will probably get there to assemble the needed sw and hw to work together well
19:38 kloofy: cause currently i do not see a single dramatic issue in sw which is not handleable
19:38 kloofy: so cheers.