00:03johnny0: gnarface: https://snapshot.debian.org/ may be useful if you are trying to narrow down where the behavior changed
00:55gnarface: johnny0: so, it was weird, i tried to get linux-headers-6.1.0-36-amd64 from there too, but it didn't work
00:56gnarface: maybe i just failed my intelligence check at it
00:56gnarface: but it seemed like someone made a concerted effort to completely scrub that package from existence
01:25johnny0: gnarface: I don't see a problem fetching the package here -- did you also grab the corresponding -common dependency?
02:28gnarface: johnny0: are you just downloading it through the web interface? i tried to add it to my sources but bookworm-security doesn't show up
02:34johnny0: the snapshot web interface -- older packages will get removed from the repos, but that snapshot site is your recourse for when you need to grab an older version
02:35johnny0: fwiw, when testing amdgpu specifically i haven't needed the header packages
02:35gnarface: doesn't it need them for dkms? it said it did...
02:36johnny0: sure, but you can just let the dkms build fail for that kernel if it's a non-critical module
02:36gnarface: well it's the amdgpu module it's complaining about i thought...
02:37gnarface: and also, shouldn't this snapshots thing work through apt still?
02:37gnarface: it says it's supposed to
02:37gnarface: i guess their example doesn't include "-security" ...
02:41johnny0: the amdgpu module is provided with the debian kernel package, do you have amdgpu-pro installed or something? that will try to build a module via dkms
02:42gnarface: no, but i do have the firmware-amd-graphics package, would that do it?
02:43johnny0: it shouldn't
02:44gnarface: hmm
06:45Ermine: <Venemo> debian isn't shipping stable graphics drivers, so it isn't stable. it is that simple. --- by that logic nothing is stable in this world :]
10:45Venemo: Ermine: I guess that depends on how you define "stable". in my interpretation stable is something that still receives bug fixes
10:54Ermine: Imo this is better described by the word "maintained"
12:01Venemo: Ermine: in the mesa project, "mesa-stable" refers to the still maintained versions
12:23Ermine: Huh.
15:54gnarface: well, Debian's definition of "stable" is just [no new major version releases, no new major feature additions, only bugfixes and security fixes and basic non-ABI-breaking maintenance changes]
15:55gnarface: their definition of "stable" is more just referring to the rate of change (or lack thereof)
15:55gnarface: i think later today i'll try out some other kernels and get back to you guys about it
15:56gnarface: maybe you guys would be the right people to ask about this: is the RX 5500 supposed to support "VRS Tier 2" or not? google searches are giving me conflicting feedback on that...
16:24Venemo: gnarface: if by VRS you mean variable rate shading, it is only supported by RDNA2 and newer, so not by the 5500
16:26gnarface: ya, variable rate shading
16:26gnarface: thanks for the official answer
16:27Venemo: the hw simply doesn't have the capability to do it
19:13gnarface: brb
19:25gnarface: ok, I have confirmed that my GPU fans still work normally in linux-image-6.1.0-32-amd64 (6.1.129-1)
19:25gnarface: they came right on after the temperature crossed 50C-something
19:25gnarface: somewhere around 53C or 56C (it has two temperature measurements, they don't always agree)
19:26gnarface: that was the last version i had installed before upgrading to the 37 build
19:26gnarface: not sure if that helps anything, but i might go ahead and risk the backports kernel next
19:27gnarface: of course, as i mentioned before though i'd much rather rock the boat much less than that
19:28gnarface: it's just my old sysadmin blood, i'm averse to certain types of risk
19:29gnarface: i might be willing to risk a lot more for... 10 more FPS or so in World of Warcraft, but i'm not getting the sense that's a realistic thing to hope for