15:40 calico: this place so dead
15:45 Venemo: calico: not really
15:46 Venemo: just not a lot of people here know much about so old gpus
15:47 calico: k I see
15:47 calico: but what would be the usual way to trace Xorg launch failures?
15:49 calico: Venemo: I might be wrong, but I believe the PCIe version of those GPU don't work either
16:00 agd5f: calico, you could try disabling AGP. set radeon.agpmode=-1 on the kernel command lin
16:00 calico: what do you mean by AGP? ... It is an AGP gpu ...
16:01 calico: what would it do?
16:02 calico: k forcing it to run as PCI mode ...
16:03 calico: I don't think I ever tried that
16:04 agd5f: yeah, uses the on GPU GART rather than the AGP GART
16:05 calico: Let say in an ideal world, both ones would work, what would be the fastest?
16:06 agd5f: calico, on that GPU, probably about the same either way
16:08 agd5f: The GPU is natively PCIE. They just use a PCIE to AGP bridge
16:10 calico: I'll do the try in a moment ... just need to plug that puter
16:10 calico: those logs are from 6 months ago btw
16:12 Venemo: calico: I'm sorry the oldest GPU I know anything about is GCN 1. I simply don't know anything about the older ones, my apologies
16:12 calico: it's fine
16:17 calico: agd5f: What about the Radeon HD 3450 and HD 3650? Those ones are native PCIe too?
16:20 agd5f: calico, yeah. pretty much everything RV370 and newer is native PCIe
16:34 calico: shit ... doesn't turns on ...
16:35 calico: the PC ...
16:35 calico: either something not plugged correctly, not enough power, the PSU or the motherboard is dead